Science, Please Stick with Observable Facts.

Modern Science has positioned itself as the reigning authority of the observable.   I am willing to permit them this authority as long as they are willing to extend faith in God and the Bible equal authority of the unobservable.

The origin of the universe is unobservable.

Atheist have no answer to the origin of the universe.  Consider that things that exists must come into existence at some point.  There are only two possibilities of the origin of the universe.

1.  It has been in infinite existence having no beginning.  This would contradict the second law of thermodynamics.  This law deals with entropy.  The fact that the universe is going from a higher amount of complex energy to a lesser amount of inferior energy.

2.  The universe had a starting point.  The problem with this is atheist have no explanation for this starting point.  Each version of the evolutionary origin of the universe begins with matter already in existence.  Where the matter came from is a “matter” of faith.

Because the origin of the universe is not answered by science nor can the progression of “evolution”  be observed by science.  We can choose to make up an origin much the same way our parents told fairy tales before bed.  Or we can trust God’s word and believe the Bible’s account of the beginning.

I think the Bible should be the authority of the unobservable.  Let’s limit science to the things it can observe.

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8 Comments

  1. You write:
    “Because the origin of the universe is not answered by science nor can the progression of “evolution” be observed by science. We can choose to make up an origin much the same way our parents told fairy tales before bed. Or we can trust God’s word and believe the Bible’s account of the beginning.

    I think the Bible should be the authority of the unobservable. Let’s limit science to the things it can observe.”

    The thing about science is that it takes time to figure things out. Just because we don’t have the answer right now doesn’t mean that we never will. Science doesn’t look at a problem and say…well we can’t figure it out so we’ll just say “god did it”

    Just think about our world; science has figured out how to kill many of the diseases that killed millions of people…even leprosy that killed so many people in the Biblical times which by the way was thought to be caused by demons in those times. If Jesus was really a friend of ours he would have explained “Germ Theory” to the shamans and priests of the times.

    If god were our friend he would have taught people of thse times how to cure small-pox or dysentery and a few hundred other deadly diseases that god seems to have brought into our world. And don’t give me that song and dance about Adam and Eve or Satan bringing diseases into our world because of “original sin” Paul made up “original sin”

    If god were the actual creator of it all, that means he made evil as well as good, and he continued/continues to let evil (Satan) roam the earth when all he had to do was snap his fingers…or say shazaam or something. 🙂

    There is a serious lack of logic in all religions, and Christianity is right up there in the “lack” department

    • “If god were our friend he would have taught people of thse times how to cure small-pox or dysentery and a few hundred other deadly diseases that god seems to have brought into our world.”

      The Romans were (holds fingers an inch apart) that close to the germ theory of disease. If jesus would have instructed people to wash their hands with soap and water before binding peoples wounds with clean sterile bandages billions of lives would have been saved. I guess he had more important things to do.

    • If God gives man the option to choose evil does that make HIm the creator of evil? Man’s choice of wrong created the evil. God has never forced man to do anything. The evil in the world is a result of Adam’s choice according to Genesis 3. There is not an inconsistency with logic here.

      I agree that faith is required to believe certain things but evil in the world is not one of them. If man is truly permitted to choose there are certain people that are going to make the wrong choice. Our choices influence others. The result of these wrong choices manifest themselves in horrific ways.

      The people of the Westboro Baptist Church have demonstrated a great deal of hate and disdain for America and its citizens. Because they are Americans they are allowed to say these things. I wish they would not say the things they do.

      Is the United States powerful enough to stop these people? Of Course
      Because the United States allows these people free speech is the United States responsible for what these people say? Of course not. In the same way God is not responsible for man because he allows man to choose. This is not an illogical conclusion.

  2. Man did not create small-pox or dysentery or cancer, etc. Mr. Schettler.

    You write:
    “God has never forced man to do anything. The evil in the world is a result of Adam’s choice according to Genesis.”

    Genesis, the Hebrews, or Moses did not say that evil entered the world by Adam or Eve’s choice to disobey God. The Hebrews did not conceive of or know the concept of original sin…Paul made it up around 35-45 AD.. weird thing is God says latter in the Old Testament that the children are not to bear the sins of the fathers.

    A funny and very disconnected book that Bible…it just amazes me that people still believe it is the work of a god.

    Man has continually used religion as a reason to kill, maim, and generally screw over other men ever since religion was invented. The religions literature such as the Bible, Koran, etc. always have language that is interpreted to mean they can do what they want with unbelievers, heretics, blasphemers, and in general anyone they don’t like.

    So, if men are using religion to do bad things all the time is it the men or the religion that’s bad? Keep in mind that without religion they would not have this excuse that God or some tenet of the religion allows this.

    Do both sides going into a war pray to god to help them kill their enemy and survive the day?

  3. Faith is categorically not authoritative. It is belief without knowledge or justification. The bible itself has no justification to be trusted, as its claims all rest either on magic and thus faith, or demonstrably unreal statements about reality.

    Authority must have merit, it must be based on something that works. The reason science has authority is that it has a history of solving complicated problems and as a process has single-handedly elevated our species above natural perils like disease and starvation.

    The bible was followed for over a thousand years with no knowledge or insight gained from it.

    Finally, you just assert (out of ignorance once again) that the origins of life and the universe are unobservable. Try researching your claims. Christian websites and apologetics do not count as research.

    • The origins of the universe is unobservable. Were you there? Was anyone there? Who has observed it?

      • You don’t have to be “there” to know something about an historical event. Every event leaves behind evidence. That is what makes it observable despite us not being “there.”

        We know that the big bang happened because of Cosmic Background Radiation, this is what settles big bang theory because it is the only theory which accounts for the fact. We know that abiogenesis must have happened because we are made up of naturally occurring organic compounds derived from our environment, we retain ribozymes in our cells which would be necessary only to a proto-cell, and our cells have organelles which are actually historical remnants of different cell types. These are all facts which greatly support the idea that life emerged incrementally from simpler systems.

      • “The origins of the universe is unobservable. Were you there? Was anyone there? Who has observed it?”

        I notice you don’t require the same level of evidence for the Mythology you’re selling.

        Oh, the bible is your witness. Who wrote it? Who did he copy it down from? Who transcribed it for the illiterate itinerant preacher who gathered stories from people 70 years after the subject of the stories were dead and gone? Who did the translations from Hebrew to Greek? Where are the mentions in the writings of other contemporary authors mentioning that fella hanging from a tree or cross? What was the name of the council who voted what books were going to be compiled as the bible? Who voted? What were their names and how did they vote? What were their backgrounds?


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